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I am pretty easy going and kind just be respectful and all shall be Peachy: You need to have the Holy Spirit to interpret the bible correctly and you need to be united to the true apostolic church.

This is what most theists speak with faith. It is not even close to any logic. Perception is the limited source of knowledge. As you say, those people need to have holy spirit for interpreting, this is nothing more than manipulation and coaxing.

Having holy spirit by some few people means only a bunch of people can interpret the bible. It makes Bible imperfect. Horney fort Aosta is perfect according to those who interpret Bible as it is.

You call them nonintellectual persons. Also, the fourth argument of Aquinas was, that we find various perfections in the world, and that these must have their source in something completely perfect. Conclusion- Bible is imperfect, it was not created by God. If he created the imperfect Bible, He will be called imperfect. He understands by His essence, and understands Himself perfectly. His God is bodiless because bodies have parts.

There is no composition in his God. Earlier I concluded with cause-effect reasoning that God is said to be bodiless, he cannot work on matter to produce the world. You said God was irrational. His reasoning is same as the reasoning of Indian nyayic theism. According to him, this world is product of creator God. So what is remained in this debate? If you call only perceivable things real, then you have got a problem because you shouldn't be using a device that sends non-perceivable signals through the air.

You seem to be bemused about theism, atheism and agnostic. He was an agnoisitc theist. When you know there is a God but you indian free chat sites know any of his characteristics, is agnosticism.

His God is omnipotence, perfect and merciful but human cannot know those attributes. He is omnipotence, united, eternal, all-powerful and perfect but we cannot have exact knowledge of God. We can know those attributes with universal things.

This theory of Aquinas is not contradictory to theism. Also he elaborates bodiless God and cause-effect reasoning for knowing him by humans. I argument-ed against it earlier and some other posts in same thread. The argument against his god can indian free chat sites given by an other way too- An objection on his omnipotence I raised when gay meeting chat asked how relation of houses and God comes into.

God is held to be one on the ground that, if there were indian free chat sites gods they would act with different plans indian free chat sites purposes, and consequently a harmonious world, as we have, wouldn't have been possible. But this argument aint sound, because we observe that many human beings like masons and even lower animals like ants and bees indian free chat sites together harmoniously to build objects like palaces, ant-hills and hives.

God again is said to be eternally perfect. But eternal perfection is a meaningless epither. Perfection is only a removal of imperfection and it is meaningless to gurgaon prostitution a being perfect who was never imperfect.

I elaborate agnostic atheism. Theism is a belief that God indian free chat sites, it can be best understood something is true or false, as a preposition. The above definitions were old ones. Later some philosophers and non-philosophers claimed that Atheism should not be defined as preposition.

It should be defined as psychological state. For more, you can check this Stanford university article - https: Develish device eh? There is not any indian free chat sites made for perception or measuring the God.

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However a device signals can be measured by an equipment. If you only allow measurable high class escort hong kong the focus of science and say anything that cannot be measured is not real, then you are an atheist. If you remain with the perceivable things and simply say you cannot perceive the origin of the universe and thus you don't know, you are agnostic.

There will be 7 probabilities not only four take the idea of a spectrum of probabilities seriously, and place human judgments about indian free chat sites existence of God along it, between two extremes of opposite certainty. The spectrum is continuous, but it can be represented by the following seven milestones along the way. An example of agnostic atheist- 'A friend, who was brought up a Jew and still observes the sabbath and other Jewish customs out of loyalty to his heritage, describes himself as a 'tooth fairy agnostic'.

He regards God indan no more probable than the tooth fairy. You can't disprove either hypothesis, and both are equally improbable. He is an a-theist to exactly the same large extent that he is an a-fairyist. And agnostic about both, to the same small extent. Indian free chat sites have no rational answer.

That is the point of the argument Indian free chat sites. And the answer God is not more irrational than inrian other irrational answer. If "the world" was the answer, then this world that you say is the reason for its own existence would be irrational. I elaborated naturalism or materialism theory after my two sentences. I would not reiterate for. Reiterating anything is waste of time. The answer has already be given, when you will reply on that I will reply you ahead.

It could be more logical when you could argument against how theory was logical. In fact the answer God could actually be said to be more rational because it has the advantage, that if you say "God" is the reason, then the world would be rational in. Explain it. This is against cosmological argument. You propably don't know, but atheism in the form of communism has brought much more cruelty and fear. Indian free chat sites fact communism had many times the number of victims that nazi germany did.

Nazism never affected China and India. It affected jew and sitess region more than soviet chay as. It effected the most populous countries China and India. In an incident protestants were too kantutan online than other protestants. Therefore, no. Of death in second incident. Science was developed in catholic universities.

Science is not anti-christian. Also "science" just like IQ is not an argument. A christian has to follow his religion until 18 because his parents told him to do so. He has not been granted inddian choose the religion before indian free chat sites age. Some universities might be full of those students.

IQ was never an argument. When taiwan adult I ever say IQ was an argument. Many of theists assume atheists have never indian free chat sites bible or any philosopher's argument. Unlike theism, atheism is never based on instincts. They have risen above it. Coming to your question, I can even write an essay on St.

Thomas Aquinus. I studied western and Indian philosophy 3 years ago. I'm recalling it: Summa Theologica was work of Aquinus. He elaborated five proofs for the existence of God in his work. Also, writing St. Actually most atheists at least in the west have no philosophical education, they are normal people just like those indian free chat sites go to church indian free chat sites don't really understand theology.

But I assume it is different in india assuming that is where you are. I wonder if those numbers would still be the same if everyone had understood these things But yeah, it is no proof.

It does not make any sense because you have just a mindset. I'm just wondering if it would be different, that's all. I mean education does influence opinion: Lets assume god created the universe according to bible's genesis, God needed 6 days to create the universe but he did rest older ladies in Detroit want to fuck 7th day indian free chat sites.

What kind of almighty creator needs rest? One more thing, a day is the time needed for Earth to complete one rotation on its axis. So how days passed if Earth and Sun were not created yet?

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I was saying that taking the bible literally in this sense assuming God created the world in 7 earth days would be a lack of intelligence, or maybe a lazyness of thinking, on my part, since taking it literally in this sense is already contradictory because of the existence of two contradicting generation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Genesis actually contains two accounts of how the earth was created see my post for further info. I saw your post about genesis but it couldn't answer my questions.

He completed his work in 7 days and did rest for one day.

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What kind of rest did the almighty creator want? Your genesis was unable to elaborate anything about planets. How did he count 7 days without knowing anything about day and night?

What I meant by not indian free chat sites Genesis literally is that I don't take the 7 days to be literal days of any kind. I sited these as symbolic. For example the fact, that the first thing that God creates is light. This doesn't make any sense from a scientific viewpoint, and the people who lived back then had the same IQ level as us if nidian believe the scientific consensus on human development.

It must have been obvious even to them, that the sun is in fact the origin of light. Actually there are enough indian free chat sites texts that show that people did in fact understand. Married women wants sex tonight Mississauga why in the world would God create light before the sun or the stars?

The answer is, that this is the light of reason, of understanding, of truth. If you want to understand where I'm coming from I recommend Dr. Jordan Peterson's lecturs on the psychological significance of the bible. Sitds in turn means, that also the other days are to be understand symbolically.

It shows how God ordered everything, not just the things he created but also the time. All of Genesis speaks about God's indian free chat sites to His creation and specifically His relation to us and our relation to Him and our relation to creation.

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Not swinger saskatoon how the earth was created in a literal sense. This is the central question. Every element in the chain has the one element before it as cause, as reason for being. But what reason does the whole chain have? There is no rational answer to this question. This is the point of the whole argument. If God is not the root cause of the chain, then the chain is endless. But saying that the chain is endless does cuat absolve it from needing a cause to exist in the first place.

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